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  1. Colin Receveur
    January 1, 2015

    You might consider adding in the tax breaks to your above numbers.

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    • The Dental Warrior
      January 1, 2015

      Yeah… no more tax breaks for hybrids… just plug-in hybrids and electrics. The Accord isn’t a plug-in, as far as I can tell. And, there are other exceptions, too. Do your homework, folks. Don’t assume that what you’re hearing is true.

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  2. Ivan Terrero
    January 2, 2015

    Diesels are cheaper in Europe where it costs the same as gas…for that I’ll drive a Mustang any day!

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    • The Dental Warrior
      January 2, 2015

      Hi Ivan! I just checked, and yeah… your diesel prices are fairly close to gas (varies a bit depending on country). But, you guys pay far more per gallon (gas OR diesel) than we do. Based on a €1.25 / liter basis, you’re at about $5.67 / gallon. That’s about 2.5 times what we pay currently for gas.

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  3. Keith Hollander
    January 2, 2015

    Not that I doubt the numbers for gas milage your using, probably the posted epa numbers, but for those doing more than a short commuter hop, the diesels get much better than 44 mpg. Closer to 60. And you are blessed. Our regular gas is closer to $2.60/gal and diesel is $2.99.
    Your point on doing a real cost comparison is well founded, I think the differential may be greater leaning to the alternative fuels.
    Comparing my sisters grand Cherokee to her diesel Passat on runs of roughly 100miles it’s the diesel hands down.

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    • The Dental Warrior
      January 2, 2015

      You have to be specific, Keith. Different models of diesel cars naturally achieve different efficiencies. Yes, there are diesels that get 60 mpg. But, NOT the VW Passat diesel. It gets 44 mpg highway. Period. To remain consistent, my figures were all EPA ratings for highway. If I recall, the diesel VW RABBIT gets close to 60 mpg. But, that’s a DIFFERENT CAR. It’s a different model.

      I think it’s important to compare apples to apples. To be scientifically honest, you have to use the SAME car or a very similar car with the same dimensions, weight, and purpose. For example, comparing the fuel efficiency of a diesel-powered VW Rabbit and a gas-powered Jeep Cherokee is naive at best and intellectually dishonest at worst.

      That is why I used the examples in this article.

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  4. Mark Bourcier DMD
    January 2, 2015

    Excellent points Mike. But your point of view is quite different from where the Save-the Earth crowd is coming from. It isn’t about how much money the car costs to own and drive. Many of these people fully subscribe to the notion that there is a crisis in the environment called (at last check) Global Climate Change that so threatens all of humanity and all of the cute little creatures like the aforementioned seals that they would pay any price to be a part of the solution and achieve salvation for us all, and to not do so would be against their quasi-religious, cultish beliefs. This is precisely what the likes of Al Gore and Michael Moore had in mind when they manufactured this crisis. They wanted to sell unnecessary things at a premium and start a “green revolution” that is “green” insofar as it is meant to put greenbacks in their wallets. So for those who subscribe to this cult, it’s not about whether I can drive a mile for 5 cents less, it’s whether over the course of a year, I can leave 1000 more gallons of petroleum in the ground for the next generation, to lessen the environmental impact etc. These people often eat organic vegan diets, don’t use deodorant, wear hemp and patchouli oil, and have tattoos. I point this out because I’m quite serious when I say that this set of values actually constitutes a religious culture, a secular, pagan cult, that completely changes how they live and is founded on erroneous or exaggerated premises. Which is fine for them; if that makes you feel happy, live that way. As has been said before, when I see Al Gore riding his bike to work I’ll believe that there is an imminent environmental crisis. Great writing and thinking as always, my friend!!

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    • The Dental Warrior
      January 2, 2015

      Thanks, Mark! I’m fully aware of the “environmentally-kind” angle, Mark. But, I purposely stayed away from that emotionally-charged “debate.” I’m ONLY addressing the claims of improved efficiency and cost.

      Many of my friends and acquaintances point to “SAVING MONEY ON FUEL” aspect of hybrid and diesel ownership. They aren’t talking about polar bears being forced to higher ground or making babies cry. They proudly claim their “saving money on gas.” And, I get that, because it doesn’t potentially precipitate acrimonious arguments. Saving money is something most people can agree upon.

      I am only pointing out the fallacy of improved efficiency and economy.

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  5. Ken
    January 2, 2015

    Another great post, yes folks…think critically…what novel advice yet how many are sucked in by the “green” gods and their advertising. (Not saying there is anything wrong with wanting to be economical or a good steward of resources)

    When my old Honda that I bought new in 1998 was stolen this past summer I said “to heck with it all” (or something like that) and treated myself to a new Lexus IS 350 with lots of bells and whistles. It takes premium gas which is more expensive but like you when I calculated out the long term costs (I expect to own this car a long time) it seemed like worrying over a matter of a few extra cents per day? (stepping over dollars to pick up pennies???)

    I have had a few acquaintances smugly ask me, “What kind of gas mileage are you getting?” as one of the first questions before they ask anything else. Ok, ok, ok…you got me there it’s probably not as good as that little compact you drive, but I didn’t buy it to worry over gas mileage. If that was the primary concern I would have went back with another Honda or similar.

    My apologies to the baby seals, polar bears, and anal retentive global warming Prius drivers out there.

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    • The Dental Warrior
      January 2, 2015

      Hi Ken! Thanks for your comments. Yeah… when I had a Lotus Elise, I was amazed that the FIRST question many asked was about fuel efficiency. Ummm… LOOK at this car! Come EXPERIENCE this car’s performance. Then reconsider your first question. Mind you, the Elise got about 29 mpg, which was pretty good! But, the reason I got it was SMILES PER GALLON! 😀

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  6. Dawn
    January 2, 2015

    I was shocked with the comparison, for I had not put pencil to paper yet. However, I do not drive a hybrid or diesel can’t afford a new car and couldn’t find a diesel I was happy with when I purchased my last vehicle 6 yrs ago.
    It’s hard not to fully agree with the Eco-Friendly Perspective since it is proven fact emissions of ALL kinds are increasing the global warming problem.
    I have wanted a Diesel Passat or Jetta for some time. Not as much for the increased MPG but my ideal car would get 514,285 miles!! My mom had a Chevy Cavalier Wagon… Maybe a 1993??? She drove the wheels off that thing and finally traded it in at 240,000 or so miles. She got a new PT Cruiser and drove that BEOTCH to so,we here around 210,000. It would be interesting to see what sort of long term savings someone would get with a Diesel/Hybrid vehicle, including maintenec costs.. But driving it for that long. My parents started “paying their car payment to themselves” sometime back, yet keeping the vehicle for some time. This afforded them the opportunity to pay for their cars in cash, saving interest and such as well.

    My Aunt MUST have a new care every 2yrs. It’s ridiculous to me.

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    • The Dental Warrior
      January 2, 2015

      I kept my last car for 11 years and put 192,000 miles on it before the 2nd engine quit.

      But, I think most Americans are like your aunt. And, according to Edmunds.com, 25% of new cars are leased. Americans are fickle. Flipping cars every few years is expensive whether you lease or buy! The most economical transportation is by driving it “until the wheels fall off”, so to speak.

      I won’t get into your “proven facts,” though. 😉 I’m keeping this about economics.

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  7. Dawn
    January 3, 2015

    Definitely driving the wheels off is the way to go.
    I’m learning to never say …… “Proven Fact” …. When commenting.. Lol

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  8. Dennis
    February 21, 2015

    I am a diesel fan. I love the great gas mileage you get without sacrificing the power. Sure I can get close to 40 mpg driving a gas powered Ford Fiesta, but it doesn’t have the get up and go power you’ll find in a turbo diesel bug for example.

    It’s definitely hard to disagree with your well thought out, logical post….and yet I am going to try. What about the life of the car? Can’t you reliably expect 100,000 more miles out of a diesel engine than a gas one?

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    • The Dental Warrior
      February 21, 2015

      True… but, how many Americans keep a car that long? 🙂

      And, one must consider the ongoing maintenance costs of diesels, which is higher than gas engines.

      With diesel fuel being at such a premium (price) over gas, the more you drive a diesel, the more it costs. No matter how you slice it, diesels cost more than driving a gas car the same number of miles. They just do. And, it’s because of the price of diesel.

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