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  1. Michael Nugent
    April 27, 2015

    Great Article!!!!!!!!

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    • The Dental Warrior
      April 27, 2015

      Thanks, Michael. This information needs to be common knowledge. It just makes no sense to me to have conjecture and DISinformation leading to riots, businesses destroyed or vandalized, and towns being burned to the ground. That’s not to say there is never injustice. It should be dealt with via legal methods.

      But, I cringe when I see the media, especially, complicit in the disinformation campaign and the disastrous results that follow. Whether a suspect is armed is not the only litmus test. I suspect the media, politicians, and activists might even be aware of the truth. But, it doesn’t serve their agenda.

      So, I’m doing my part to spread the truth. To borrow from the motto of Faber College in “Animal House”… Knowledge is good.

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  2. Ivan Terrero
    April 27, 2015

    Great article!

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  3. Steven Brill
    April 28, 2015

    Good article Mike, but you left one important thing out. The determination of whether your “AOJ” criteria are met is somewhat subjective.

    In other words, in the same situation, one reasonable person may reach a “Jeopardy” conclusion while another equally reasonable person may conclude “Jeopardy” does not exist.

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    • The Dental Warrior
      April 28, 2015

      Hmmm… define “equally reasonable.” That’s a bit subjective, eh? Ultimately, it will be settled by a grand jury or a regular jury. The court of public opinion doesn’t matter. My goal here was to explain why the ever-popular notion that the presence of a weapon (“armed”) is NOT the sole determinant of whether lethal force is justifiable. If I have done nothing more than enlighten you and others to that truth, then my work is done.

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    • The Dental Warrior
      April 28, 2015

      By the way, Steve. This “AOJ” is not MY criteria. None of this is mine. This is what the lawyers use. These are the criteria and standards used in court. I’ve read a lot about it and educated myself. But, NONE of this information originates with me.

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  4. Susan Vadnais
    April 28, 2015

    I am not a dentist so I am not sure if I can post a question. However if I am allowed, I would be seriously interested in your opinion on handling the mentally ill that may be carrying loaded fire arms. Some may be be interpreted as dangerous and some may be crying out for help. Do you think this situation called for this sort of action by the police officer? I am not sure if AOJs was met, or were they? Thank you. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/creative-or-excessive-cops-ramming-gunman-sparks-debate-n342281

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    • The Dental Warrior
      April 28, 2015

      I’m not sure if I understand your question(s). Are they two separate unrelated questions? Or are you suggesting the guy in Arizona was mentally ill and should have therefore been treated differently?

      Personally, I think the tactic used by the police officer in Arizona was outstanding (in a good way). If you are in a car and are facing a threat, the vehicle makes for an excellent weapon. This guy had just stolen the rifle and ammo. He was walking down the street threatening people and firing the rifle in the air. He had the Ability to kill. He had the Opportunity to kill. And, he made his intent VERY clear by firing the rifle indiscriminately in a public area. The use of the car was BRILLIANT. It worked. And, the perp survived this particular use of lethal force. Alternatively, the police could have sent in a sniper to just take him out (nearly guaranteed dead). But, that takes time to set up, and innocent lives may have been lost during that delay. This officer improvised and it WORKED.

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  5. Susan Vadnais
    April 28, 2015

    Actually yes, I was not very clear in regard to my question(s). I cannot say whether the perp was mentally ill, but his actions suggested he was mentally disturbed and dangerous. His defense lawyer suggested that his actions were a cry for help (pointing the gun under his chin and firing in the air) and not a lethal threat to officers or citizens. Personally I would have considered him a threat if I was any where near this guy toting a loaded firearm. I agree with you in regard to the use of the car in this case and that the outcome was better than expected. There is however a broader question in the case of a mentally disturbed, suicidal person with a loaded weapon. How does an officer discriminate when to shoot to kill in this sort of case? Is it the same sort of decision tree… AOJ … or somewhat different. Thank you.

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    • The Dental Warrior
      April 28, 2015

      His defense lawyer suggested that his actions were a cry for help (pointing the gun under his chin and firing in the air) and not a lethal threat to officers or citizens.

      This is a truly laughable and GROSSLY ignorant statement. Furthermore, it’s a RECKLESS assumption.

      Firing into the air is extremely dangerous. Those bullets go UP. And, then they come DOWN. And, they are just as lethal on the way down. This person was most certainly putting innocent lives in danger by his behavior. He absolutely WAS a lethal threat to ANYONE within TWO AND A HALF MILES of his position. He was firing a .30-30 caliber rifle. That’s right… those bullets can go that far and KILL anyone who happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

      Mentally ill or not, he HAD to be stopped… Immediately.

      Finally… Officers do not “shoot to kill.” That is Hollywood-speak. They shoot to STOP. It’s an important distinction.

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  6. Susan Vadnais
    April 28, 2015

    You are correct. I don’t think the general public (at least I didn’t) understand(s) that “using lethal force” does not equate to “shoot to kill.” Thanks for the education.

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  7. Chris Harper
    May 1, 2015

    I agree with your article 100%! Hopefully one day we all can learn to live peacefully. Without bigotry, racism and injustice. God bless.

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  8. Coal Murdock
    February 8, 2017

    Very interesting article, but one point is troublesome. You are presuming the narrative from the officer about the late Mr. Brown, reaching into his car for his service weapon is fact. From your presumption, you build your argument, which while correct is the same as doing a math formula on a test the wrong way, with the right computation.

    I do appreciate your view and especially liked you bringing up why you’re confused as to why law enforcement doesn’t educate people about the law. I would submit that the lack of education provides an advantage. Knowledge levels the playing field.

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    • The Dental Warrior
      February 8, 2017

      That’s because it is fact… forensically proven fact. Bad guy’s DNA and blood were found INSIDE the cruiser.

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      • Coal Murdock
        February 10, 2017

        Still debatable because the friend of the late Mr. Brown, who is also deceased told reporters that the cop pulled him into the car and was attacking him. It depends on who you choose to believe to determine what is a fact and what isn’t. It is interesting you refer to him as “bad guy” as if you were standing there and saw it with your own two eyes. Seeing something with your own two eyes is really the only time you can give a factual statement about a matter. Any other time bias creeps in and sides are chosen. I wasn’t there so I don’t know who did what, but I do know one party can no longer defend himself. He who wins writes history.

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      • The Dental Warrior
        February 10, 2017

        The notion of an officer pulling a perp INTO the car to “attack” him is not just profoundly ridiculous, it is tactically moronic and literally suicidal. I’m fairly confident the cop wasn’t suicidal. 🙂

        The perp WAS a bad guy in many respects with a HISTORY of doing bad / criminal things…. like robbing a store immediately preceding his encounter with the officer. So, yeah… I’m going to give the “benefit of the doubt” to the cop over the proven thug. That… and the science of forensics. 🙂

        Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

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